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Comment by Korath

Hmmm required level 72, question is how long / hard is it going to be to get engineering upto 400? If you have engineering on a alt would it be possible to get all the mats via a high level main and get these soon as you ding 72?

Comment by 218811

I think its gonna be pretty equal to the tankatronic goggles.. And i really doubt that these have same item lvl as rare PvPs.. Think its gonna be useable for a long time, but also i really doubt that you will actually be able to get those goggles while lvling up if you start lvling as soon as the expansion comes out.. I kinda agrro with Fatnub

Comment by Fatnub

The only point in crafting this for someone else (since it's BoE) then you is because you learn this from the trainer at 430, but its useable at 400. If you can't get the Frozen Orb yourself, buy it or get it on your main, something trivial like that isn't gonna stop the typical player from making it anyway.

Comment by 239695

Everyone seems relatively upbeat about the item. I'm not :)

It's a few points below most Tier-7 10man helmets.

It might be hasty for me to draw this conclusion, but that'd be like a tier4 helmet outdoing the first-tier goggles in TBC. When coupled with engineering's lack of other useful sockets/enchants/weapons/armor, it doesn't bode well for Engineering's usefulness.'

I plan on making it for my early runs on Naxx, it's a shame to think that after I acquire the helmet off of Kel'thuzad Engineering will really pose no other use. Maybe the first or second content patch will up them :)

Comment by Wakleon

I personally think the goggles need to be better from where they are.

1. Material wise, these are right on par with the BC level goggles.
2. The BC goggles weren't replaceable until past tier 5 sets, while this is only comparable to the 10 man tier 7. They should at least be comparable to the 10 man tier 8 or possibly a mid-ground between tier 8 10 and 25 man. I don't think the BC goggles were OP. I think they were a great reason to go Engineering. And these seem, if anything, only good for detecting gas clouds as I will be replacing them very shortly.
3. Blizzard should make more upgrades to the goggles. I like that they added Hardened Khorium Goggles in 2.4 and I think they should add another upgrade with each new tier released. This way Engineering stays a viable profession for raiders further into the late game.

Comment by Sentan

Compared to Paladin T7(10 and 25 man) Protection helm.

10 man:
+74 Block Value
-1 Strength
-13 Expertise
-17 Defense

25 man:

+16 Stamina
+7 Strength
+46 Armor
+77 Block Value
+6 Defense
-8 Expertise

In both, the T7 helm has a blue socket instead of a yellow one in the goggles.
These goggles seem to have lost their charm since BC, on account of DK tanks, they cannot use shields and it seems Blizzard would rather round all three classes (Warrior, Paladin and Death Knights) into one pair of goggles, then make an additional, optional pair.
They will obviously be replaced by 25 man T7, but while you are in 10 man (if you guild uses such) don't spend any DKP or other loot rolling systems, though I doubt your guild will really use it for a 10 man raid.

Comment by EnDsInRuBy

The Tankatronic Googles like every other T1 (non sunwell Googles) verison of the googles ALL got a buff once Black Temple and Tier 6 Came out.

Thus said, plan on either:

One: ALL Googles will be buffed once Tier 8 comes out.

Two: They will add a new type of drop in the tier 8 instance(s) (ex. Sunmote) and new rep patterns to upgrade your old googles.

Three: Blizzard is trying to make engineering a joke again.

Comment by 22642

Interestingly the trainer in Dalaran will not teach me these until I have 440 skill, as opposed to the 430 listed here on WoWHead.

Comment by synistrad

i wonder if blizzard gonna do an upgtrade version of those googles cousefor some reason... they look a bit ugly for me compared to the last version <.<

Comment by 193408

These goggles really won't last too long if your guild has any form of progression. The T7 head gear will quickly replace these.

If you don't feel like wasting your money only to replace these soon, get yourself a BoE blue head piece while you raid.

I can only hope these get a buff in the future, otherwise they will not be worth crafting, only to replace them rather quickly into T7 content.

Also, I am not too fond of the stats on these either. I would MUCH rather have dodge rating over expertise rating. I'm not sure what Blizzard was thinking when they designed these..

Comment by 264371

I think people are forgetting something here.

These are available at level 72!

Meaning, at level 72, you get THE best craft able helm until level 80 if you are an Engineer.

I do not see that as much of an issue.

Comment by 231463

Ok Just crafted a pair of these babys last night lolz as good as my Tempered Titan Helm stat wise give or take a few points (don't start)...My question was if I add Arcanum of Torment will this cancel my gems and socket bonus can this be stacked?

Comment by 226081

I don't know why everyone has their panties in a bunch. These are far superior for tanking than the Tempered Titansteel Helm with only one downfall, they have 31 less stam which isn't game breaking. They have more strength, a ton of expertise, and more defense rating. Defense rating is extremely important for tanking, especially when you're just starting to get geared it can be a bit hard to hit the def cap. Not to mention, these cost quite a bit less than than the aforementioned head piece to craft.

A solid choice if you ask me, these will take you into nax and possibly even compete with some nax10 gear. Remember, a tank's job isn't only to take damage but to be able to keep up with the DPS with threat generation.

Comment by Deadrune

It seems to me everyone missed a huge point. And that is that these goggles look simply awesome.

Comment by Dementedioser

Yeah, I've got level 80 friends so I got their help making these, and I'm 72, and no doubt about it, I'm using them till level 80, I'm a tanking warrior, so these were made for me...

Comment by 220864

Instead of having a tanking version of goggles I think straight PvP goggles should be added.
After all why would a tank need more stealth detection?

Comment by 309613

These goggles also track Orcs and Dwarves!

Comment by 387484

Please excuse my ignorance, and this is a repeat as this seems more active then the previous goggles, and only been playing for about 3 weeks, so still learning.
I understand the BoE and BoP elements of the gear, but these are crafted and BoP so I take it that only the crafter can wear them ? and need the Eng of 400 to wear them ?

If its a stupid question, sorry, ill go hide under my rock again.

K

Comment by 93429

I'm getting this over the titansteel one simply because I would prefer to have more defense rating on my helm and beable to use my trinket slots for something else. If I switch to this from my arcanoshield helm, il easily beable to give up pantheon and pick up gossamer, and from the smart dk tank perspective I go from a pure defence with a on use armor cd, to a 111 stamina trinket with a shield on hit ability.

Since I am normally too busy focusing on other elements, and poping my normal dk cooldowns when needed, I don't rememeber about pantheon. So I would be getting alot more stamina, and more strength from going with this. AND A shield that just goes off automatically (doesnt help much but it helps) And it costs a whole bunch less.

Don't have the math, don't have the links. so sorry there.
Guess the point was, don't just compare on a 1v1 basis. Check to see how it synchs up with your gear, and if this item allows you to get a different item somewhere else that would be a huge upgrade then do that. Sure Titansteel is better 1v1, but overall im better off without it unless.

Comment by andreas1969

Where do you get the schematic for this item?

Comment by 93813

Took the liberty of comparing the two plate engineering goggles.

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For the purpose of leveling, I think I'd take the tank ones over the DPS ones. The DPS helm only has 2 more strength and 2.80ish% crit (which goes down with every ding) compared to the defenese and absolutly massive amount of expertise the tank helm has.

The crit is nice, but for leveling, I think the tank ones win.

Not that it matters a whole lot, the engineering goggles in Wrath are pretty lack luster all around.

Comment by Siofra

I got 450 Engineering, but I can't train it, why not? Can't find it in the trainers list or anything (and no, I haven't trained it already :P)

Comment by 611840

What kind of Meta socket should I put in the goggles?

Comment by Kodel

Please note. I have a mage gnome engineer. I was trying to figure out why I could not access this recipe and several other from the trainers. After putting in a ticket and some kind GM research we discovered that as a cloth user you will not be able to see or access recipes that you cannot use. I hope this solves some frustration of other people.

Comment by Bonfuzius

Too bad, that you can't apply the Mind Application Dish, because it already has an use effect.
This would be the better and cheaper tanking enchant...

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Armored Titanium Goggles

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Item Level 200
Binds when picked up

Head	Plate

1821 Armor
+73 Strength
+111 Stamina

Meta Socket
Yellow Socket
Socket Bonus: +8 Expertise Rating

Durability 100 / 100

Requires Level 72
Requires Engineering (400)
Equip: Increases defense rating by 60.
Equip: Increases your expertise rating by 43.
Use: Allows you to look far into the distance. (3 Sec Cooldown)

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