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Comment by SilentJ

Answering to the outcries of hunters, this talent is one of a few new talents in the Marksmanship tree that addresses the spec's mana consumption and underpowered damage output issues. Previously, Marksmanship hunters would easily burn through their mana supply quicker than Aspect of the Viper could regenerate, only to come nowhere close to the damage output of a Beast Mastery build. This talent, if used in conjunction with Efficiency and Rapid Recuperation can certainly alleviate some of those mana issues, though whether or not these talents will allow the tree to achieve the same damage and efficiency as a Beast Master is something that we will have to wait and see.

Comment by 176639

This wants to be a good talent. Unfortunately, though, it has a couple noticeable problems with it:

1) Only proccing off of Steady shot - While that's possibly the best ability to proc off of, it still doesn't mean it will proc as often as even Improved Aspect of the Hawk (if we had 2 Steadies to every Auto, they would be even, assuming I can still do math).

2) Low proc rate - 15% isn't very high for a talent like this. It reminds me a little of Master Tactician, and not in a good way.

Note that if you want to get the most out of this talent, you should use Chimera Shot, as it is both more expensive and harder hitting than others.

Edit: Updated this due to significant changes to the talent (adding Chimera, primarily). It working with Chimera shot obviously improves it by a good deal, although I'm still not convinced that this does enough.

Comment by Niroshi

I like the design of this talent, similar to the Focused state that an Enhancement Shaman can get for their Shocks. The problem with the talent though seems to be that, in the two days I've been testing Marksmanship, it's proc rate has been fairly abysmal.

If they buffed the proc chance, or changed it to include Auto Shot, this talent would become very strong for Marksmanship Hunters.

Comment by 237406

Is there any buff icon or graphic (like for instance when improved aspect of the Hawk procs) to let you know when you are going to get your damage bonus?

Knowing that next chimera shot is going to be over 100 mana cheaper and be the one with the damage bonus would easily stop me throwing this away on an arcane shot or Aimed shot.

Comment by 176126

Hy
Yeah, it has a buff icon but i dindnt see any graphic.
I think the proc rate is okey, but it should effect the steady shot itself too.
And it isnt for just ur next shot, it has 10-15sec (i dint know now exactly) buff .

Comment by Aranrya

My question would be: does the +damage component of this talent count towards the Serpent Sting damage done by Chimera Shot? In other words, if you have Serpent Sting up on the target, then proc this talent, does it also add 12% of the 40% of Serpent Sting's damage for a total of 44.8% of Serpent Sting's damage?

Comment by 335041

So my answer will be: It it (Chimera+Serp.Sting DMG)*1.2

I wonder it is worthy for PvP. On BG`s it can be very usefull, but for arena? I think far less effective but still good.

Comment by 230590

there are better choices for pvp, i hardly find time to use a steady unless i was BM, besides in pvp you'd have to cycle through your stronger and instant shots in before you even decide to use steady, and even then you'd probably be on the run

i'd say skip it for pvp, wild quiver is a better choice in the talents on their teir (as well as several others before that you may or may not have picked up in MM or even further into BM/SV)

Comment by Nynguem

Does it have any internal CD or not?

Comment by 575885

Can any1 help me out here what would the up time on this proc be?

Trying to compare it to a static buff of 90 attack power

Comment by 113072

We just had a short discussion about this in the guild's chat, so I might as well pass on what we concluded it with.

His unbuffed stats, with and activated left him at 6'608 attackpower, 58.63% critical hit chance and 1408 armor penetration points (100.6%).
A friend of mine had tested out the proc rates up against shots fired and time spent in combat. He and I both agreed that spending about three minutes of punting the dummies should help us determine the proc rates and uptime. We ended up with a 15% proc (as the talent states), and a 17% uptime.
The damage delt by his at total was at 286'000 damage, where as the number of fired shots were 18 (sixteen crits, two hits). This leaves the average damage per shot at about 15'800 damage.
The talent proced 11 times durring the three minute fight, meaning about 60% of the shots fired gained from the talent-proc.
We estimated the overall damage gain from 3/3 in this talent to be at about 26'000 to 27'000 damage, or about 140 to 150 damage per second (which again would add up to about 35 dps in a three minutes fight through ).

In the end, he using a spreadsheet, calculated that the 150 static attackpower gain from the would be more benificial than the ~140 dps increase from 3/3 .

It ended up with him moving two points from and 1 from to 3/3 .

tl;dr - This means, for a single hunter, and with ideal conditions, should come out at about 15 dps increase. And ontop of that, for every other hunter in the raid with the regular raiding spec, you add 130 raid-dps.

Disclaimer: I do not want to say that my math is flawless, and I am aware of the fact that rng and movement may play a huge role on the output, as well as the exact ' damage. The above statement(s) are based on the numbers we were given and the experience we have had with said talent. Please do not quote the calculations from the above wall'o'text and claim that these are hard facts, but rather use them as a guideline.

Edit: Cleaning up the post.

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Improved Steady Shot

Improved Steady Shot

Talent

Your Steady Shot hits have a 15% chance to increase the damage done by your next Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot or Chimera Shot by 15%, and reduce the mana cost of your next Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot or Chimera Shot by 20%.

(Proc chance: 15%)

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n/a

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Physical

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n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Aura proc chance

15%

Effect

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell (1)
Value: 15
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Improved Steady Shot

Affected Spells:

Multi-Shot	Multi-Shot	Multi-Shot
Multi-Shot	Multi-Shot	Multi-Shot
Multi-Shot	Multi-Shot

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Improved Steady Shot

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