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Comment by blackcrusader

pretty much the mandatory tankadin glyph, for avenger's shield can deside it wants to pull 2 other groups instead of your targeted group, this is basicly acting as the gun a warrior might use to pull a group

Comment by Chronalis

So. that 2.6k crit i got on a test dummy would have been 5.2k crit, which would have been ~9.9k instant threat? ^^

Personally, with PvP being quite a big part of my play too, i might end up NOT glyphing for this. Think 3 players chasing you down in WSG. Is it not better to hit all of them than having to target the one that's most likely to catch you?

For PvE, i'll admit it's even more threat that it is already, and being instant cast, it's now something we WANT to work into the rotation every time it's off CD. The increased duration on the daze effect is quite handy too, even if it only works against trash.

Comment by Idocreating

Definitely one for the raiding Protection Paladins, where you only want to pull one mob.

I can see it being an irritation to switch between a single mob and multi-mob Avenger Shield. Nice glyph, but the effect could've been implemented better.

Comment by 294171

ATTENTION!

This is my argument against the use of this glyph. Correct me if and when I have not clearly and logically reasoned. If you find no fault and agree, please say so. Enjoy. :)

Thesis: The Glyph of Avenger’s Shield is useless for a Protection Paladin, due to its detrimental effect on a key multi-target, aggro-holding, pulling ability.

Firstly, let’s clarify something: a tanking paladin’s ‘forte’ is mob tanking. Their primary aggro-holding abilities are designed to hit multiple targets (Holy Shield, Avenger’s Shield, Hammer of Righteousness and Consecration), and are more efficient when used this way (as opposed to on a single target, i.e. a boss).

Consider this situation:
You are in an instance. As the ‘tankadin’, you are to tank a mob of three units (let’s say melee class). Using normal Avenger’s Shield, you hit all three targets for 900 holy damage (about what my tankadin does atm) and daze them. The mob reaches you as you cast Consecration, Holy Shield then Hammer of Righteousness in quick succession, maintaining your threat lead. DPS unleashes its fury, and, with you keeping all aggro, the mob is easily subdued. All can agree this is a desired outcome, and the goal of every pull.

Same situation, but tankadin has the glyph. Now this is going to involve a noob mage, for argument’s sake, but if everyone is acutely aware of their threat, this alternative result can be avoided. You cast AS at one of three targets. Hits for about 1800 holy. Target is dazed, other two run straight for you. Mage frostbolts/pyroblasts/whatever on an undamaged target and pulls aggro. You immediately run to their aid, dropping only perhaps a Consecration in your haste. Mage is running around, avoiding their target, until you taunt it off. Meanwhile, you’ve had two other targets running after you, one you’ve barely damaged. Long(er) story short, either DPS has to pull back on the targets you have less threat with, or they could pull aggro, risking the whole party’s lives. Keep in mind the healer, who could pull aggro off you, due to their healing threat.
See the problem?

Now before you type angry messages of “But aggro-loss could’ve happened with a noob mage in scenario one!”, hear me out. Yes – aggro-loss could have occurred in Scenario One, However, it would be less likely, as tank would have damage threat on all three targets, thereby reducing chance of losing aggro. The mage does not pull – no problem; mage pulls – aggro shouldn’t be AS hard to pick up, even without Righteous Defence, as tank has already established an amount of threat. Even if tank, in their haste to save that mage’s arse, does not damage the other two targets, tank can, and probably will, still be holding aggro, unless DPS creates higher threat, which either they hopefully won’t (yes, hopefully you don’t have >1 noob :P), or you could pick up again with a few quick spells.

Basically, what I’m trying to show is that in a given situation, it is probably easier and safer to have aggro on all three targets of a mob, as opposed to just one.

However, what if there are more targets?

I’ll be quick this time. Six targets, melee class. Pulled with normal AS, rest picked up with Consecrate, Holy Shield and Hammer of Righteousness. DPS does its job, and everyone lives.

Same mob. Pulled with glyphed AS. I’ll be dramatic this time – more fun. :P
Tankadin frantically tries to hold aggro, throwing down spells. DPS pulled aggro on target as it was running to tank. Tank taunts target. Healer has been keeping up tank, gains threat of a target (or two :S), and suffers some damage before tanks saves their arse. All this time, tank was hardly doing damage, besides Consecration and maybe HS.
Any more threat changes, and your party faces dire risk of wipe. Not fun!

Comment by 295146

I actually keep a pack of these on hand to replace my Glyph of Hammer of the Righteous for main tank encounters. It may be expensive, but when your warlocks are ripping your meters hard with 10k+ dps, you'll be glad you did this.

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Glyph of Avenger's Shield

Item Level 55
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Requires Level 50
Use: Permanently teaches you this glyph.

Your Avenger's Shield hits 2 fewer targets, but for 100% more damage.

Max Stack: 20

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