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Comment by 176377

Sunder Armor for hunters? Looks to be the same armor reduction~~, but I think it can only stack 3 times~~.

Wonder if it stacks with Sunder Armor...

In the latest patch, looks to be able to stack 5 times, meaning the same armor reduction as Sunder Armor.

Comment by L33tsauce

This is basicaly the improved version of the Sporebat ability for BM hunters.

Comment by skribs

Not exactly the sporebat ability, since the sporebat is an AoE. Depending on how much this stacks, and whether or not it stacks with sunder/expose armor, this may end up being the best raiding pet in melee-heavy raids (once the amount of meleers in the raid make ferocity and it's talents worse off than 785-2355 armor lost).

Comment by 158080

Currently this spell does not stack multiple times on a mob, just the single application. Not sure yet if it stacks with Sunder/Devastate or EA.

EDIT: Okay, acid spit DOES stack multiple times! /me learns to frigging pay attention

Comment by Archeus

Reduces armor by 2355 at 3 applications.

Comment by Iosifavich

In its Current form this gives the same Armor Reduction then Sunder Armor (5) but it takes 20sec per application so it takes 100seconds (1:40s) to applies all 5 applications, compared to a Warriors ability to put 1 sunder up in 1.5sec or 7.5 secs for all 5 sunders.

Blue Post:

With the release of upcoming content patch players will see a change in the way we allow buffs and debuffs to stack exclusively in a raid. For the most part, what this change means is that many buffs and debuffs that were previously allowed to stack together no longer can, and that many buffs and debuffs that only a single talent specialization could bring can now be brought by multiple different specializations. The philosophy behind this change shows up in many of the changes we have made in Wrath of The Lich King, such as when we made almost all buffs raid-wide. We want players to be able to form raids and parties based on who they want to play with, rather than who has the correct talents and abilities to min-max their raid performance.

Raid composition will still matter to some extent, but without this change, it would have overwhelmed every other aspect of raid planning (as we added new capabilities to each of 30 different talent trees). You no longer need to rigidly control the melee/spellcaster balance of your raid, or make sure every group has all the critical buffing classes, etc. This change has many class balance implications.

IMPORTANT! Before we are done, we will thoroughly test the performance of every class. It should not be assumed that one class' current performance relative to others in beta is final. Some classes (and specializations) will need to be reduced in power and some increased. Many may feel the change has more impact on class X than class Y. We will address all of those concerns via our internal testing and community feedback.

There are thirty or so different categories into which buffs and debuffs fit. Here you will find a comprehensive list of the changes made broken down by category and which spells/talents are in that category.

Armor Debuff (Major): Acid Spit (exotic Hunter pet), Expose Armor, Sunder Armor
Armor Debuff (Minor): Faerie Fire, Sting (Hunter pet), Curse of Recklessness
Physical Vulnerability Debuff: Blood Frenzy, (2nd Talent Spec TBA)
Melee Haste Buff: Improved Icy Talons, Windfury Totem
Melee Critical Strike Chance Buff: Leader of the Pack, Rampage
Attack Power Buff (Flat Add): Battle Shout, Blessing of Might
Attack Power Buff (Multiplier): Abomination's Might, Trueshot Aura, Unleashed Rage
Ranged Attack Power Buff: Hunter's Mark (only Hunters benefit, so no need to exclude against other class abilities)
Bleed Damage Increase Debuff: Mangle, Trauma
Spell Haste Buff: Wrath of Air Totem
Spell Critical Strike Chance Buff: Moonkin Aura, Elemental Oath
Spell Critical Strike Chance Debuff: Improved Scorch, Winter's Chill
Increased Spell Damage Taken Debuff: Ebon Plaguebringer, Earth and Moon, Curse of the Elements
Increased Spell Power Buff: Focus Magic, Improved Divine Spirit, Flametongue Totem, Totem of Wrath, Demonic Pact
Increased Spell Hit Chance Taken Debuff: Improved Faerie Fire, Misery
Percentage Haste Increase (All Types): Improved Moonkin Aura, Swift Retribution
Percentage Damage Increase: Ferocious Inspiration, Sanctified Retribution
Critical Strike Chance Taken Debuff (All types): Heart of the Crusader, Totem of Wrath
Melee Attack Speed Slow Debuff: Icy Touch, Infected Wounds, Judgements of the Just, Thunderclap
Melee Hit Chance Reduction Debuff: Insect Swarm, Scorpid Sting
Healing Debuff: Wound Poison, Aimed Shot, Mortal Strike, Furious Attacks
Attack Power Debuff: Demoralizing Roar, Curse of Weakness, Demoralizing Shout
Stat Multiplier Buff: Blessing of Kings
Stat Add Buff: Mark of the Wild
Agility and Strength Buff: Strength of Earth Totem, Horn of Winter
Stamina Buff: Power Word: Fortitude
Health Buff: Commanding Shout, Blood Pact
Intellect Buff: Arcane Intellect, Fel Intelligence
Spirit Buff: Divine Spirit, Fel Intelligence
Damage Reduction Percentage Buff: Grace, Blessing of Sanctuary
Percentage Increase Healing Received Buff: Tree of Life, Improved Devotion Aura
Armor Increase Percentage Buff: Inspiration, Ancestral Healing
Cast Speed Slow: Curse of Tongues, Slow, Mind-numbing Poison.

In each category, you can only benefit from the most powerful spell granting that effect. For example, Fel Intelligence grants spirit and intellect, both weaker than Arcane Intellect and Divine Spirit. If a player has Fel Intelligence and receives a stronger Arcane Intellect buff, he will gain the intellect value from Arcane Intellect and the spirit value from Fel Intelligence.

In most cases, fully-talented players will have exactly equal power on the strength of these buffs and debuffs. Fel Intelligence is an example of where one ability is weaker than others. The buffs in the "Increased Spell Power Buff" category are also not all the same potency, as they scale and grow in radically different ways. In virtually every other case, however, the buffs are equal. This means, for example, that fully-talented Battle Shout and Blessing of Might now grant the exact same amount of attack power.

In addition to this change, we also needed to address the "mana battery" roles in a raid. The mana regeneration effect they grant is no longer limited to their own party, and it no longer depends on the amount of damage they deal. Each time they trigger the mana regeneration effect, 10 people in their raid group will receive a buff which causes them to regenerate 0.5% of their maximum mana each second. This buff, Replenishment, will be given preferentially to raid members with the lowest mana, but will re-evaluate which raid members receive it each time it is fired. Replenishment is provided by Shadow Priests, Survival Hunters, and Retribution Paladins.

Finally, we have modified Heroism and Bloodlust to affect the entire raid. However, all affected raid members will be unable to cast or benefit from Bloodlust/Heroism for 5 minutes.

Continued….

Comment by 218285

is this a poison or magic effect?

Comment by 221889

The only way i can see this skill being worth it at all is in a group without a warrior/rogue appling their version of the debuff.

I say this because when i am soloing, i take less than 10 seconds to kill most normal mobs, so the stacking effect would be wasted.

Also, it seems unlikely that an instance or raid group wouldn't have either a warrior or a rogue, I suppose this is part of Blizz's campaign for less dependencies on certain classes for certain buffs

For armour debuffs in soloing, you should go for the wasp's single target debuff or the sporebat's AoE debuff

Comment by nosound

Having enough focus (shouldn't be a problem with at least 1 point in GFTT) stacking all 5 will take only 50 seconds as cd is 10 seconds.
In raids this is not really helpful as this skill is not stacking with any other major armor debuff (sunders and expose armor). Mby this will be useful in 10-man raids where you mby don't have warrior in raid.

Comment by 148794

Since this doesn't stack with Sunders, it keeps warrior tanks from applying them. Using Devastate, they still get the flat damage threat and the bonus threat from it, but not the extra threat from applying the debuff, which is substantial by itself. This will, however, be able to cripple a caster's defense against physical damage, making it arguably useful in pvp.

Comment by 262983

If your pet is out of spit range, it'll slowly move to get into range then finally run in, it get kind of annoying.

Comment by 235937

As of 3.1, this ability will operate under the new armor debuff system.

Major debuffs (Rogue Expose Weakness, Warrior Sunder Armor, and Worm Acid Spit) will now only stack twice, reducing armor by 10/20%.

Comment by Iroared

So it cannot be removed by cloak of shadows?

Comment by Sraenn

my guess is that it cant, clos removes poisons and magic effects. armor debuffs are typically physical, such as bleeds. not completely sure though.

Comment by Iroared

Clos also removes diseases btw, and it seems that it can remove the spit too. Wish there was a tenacity pet with bleed...

Comment by 165212

As of 3.3.3 it only stacks 2 times

Comment by 165212

3.2.2 sorry

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Acid Spit

Acid Spit

20 Focus	30 yd range

Instant cast	10 sec cooldown

Your worm spits acid at an enemy, causing 124 to 176 Nature damage and reducing its armor by 10% per Acid Spit for 30 sec. Can be applied up to 2 times.

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Duration

30 seconds

School

Nature

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

20 Focus

Range

30 yards (Medium)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

10 seconds

GCD

1.5 seconds

Effect #1

School Damage (Nature)
Value: 124 (AP mod: 0.049)
PVP Multiplier: 1

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Mod Resistance % (Physical)
Value: -10% (AP mod: 0.049)
PVP Multiplier: 1

Flags

Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Initiates Combat (Enabled Auto-Attack)

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