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Comment by d3nyd

This talent is huge for either PvP or PvE. I would go so far to say it's a requirement for both.

Comment by frmorrison

The way I read it (looking at the spell description) : Mod Debuff Resistance % means the next debuff put on the target of cleanse has a 30% chance to be resisted.

This is useful for PvP (if you are chain cleansing that is about 30% less cleanses), it very weak for PvE.

When the buff is on the target of cleanse, it gives a 30% chance to resist the application of magic, poison, and disease Debuffs.

Comment by topcari

This will not affect Rogues' stuns as they are neither poison, magic nor disease. However, it will affect Hammer of Justice and Repentance as they are considered as magic.

Comment by Tarloc

It doesnt increase resistances to all schools, it increases resistances to magic, disease, and poison PERIOD. That means 30% of all magic effects will be resisted, that means 30% of all poison will be resisted. That means I resist 30% of priest and warlock fears, and 30% of rogue stunlocking, and 30% of hunter stings if this spell procs. You are a moron if you dont think that is useful.

It does not increase resistances to magic, poison, and disease by 30% on a cleanse. It has a 30% chance on a cleanse to increase those resistances for 10 seconds. Meaning the only reliable way you could get the effect is if you are spam cleansing your target. If you are spam cleansing, you are not healing, therefore diminishing usefullness of this talent.

In certain situations it could be useful, but even if it did proc, it only effects incoming magic, poison, and disease for 10 sec. And it has ~70% chance to fail at that. It would be great if it did cause targets to resists debuffs, but you probably won't see it do much most of the time.

Comment by 166497

Umm. not exactly this talent is going to be amazingly useful in pvp. If you dispel a frost nova from yourself and it procs..thats a 30% chance resist the counterspell the mage plans on using on your when your casting your next heal spell.

The procs from it effectively negate entire sections of rogue poison talents, preventing restacking from happening as fast. I posted on the rogue forums for help to figure out the net result of how much in nullifies Improved poisons gain while the sacred cleansing buff is active.

End result is Calculated by the increased application chance (which is chance to resist by target multiplied by increased chance to apply) plus poisons baseline application chance finally multiplied by chance for resistance of target

Take the 30% chance that crippling has to apply, then factor in 30% resistance from Sacred cleansing+5% base resist

.65((.65*.25)+.3) = .300626.....so 30% chance to apply, essentially canceling out the improved poisons entirely while Sacred cleansing is active.

Comment by 198510

Does this give you a 30 percent chance to resist or does it just increase your percent chance to resist by 30 percent. In other words, if you had a 9 percent chance to resist originally would you have a 39 percent chance or 9 + 1/3 of 9 (3) for 12 percent in total?

Comment by erick

Looking at the description on the buff that this gives when it procs:
https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53659
"Effect #1 : Mod Debuff Resistance % (3)
Value: 30
Effect #2 : Mod Debuff Resistance % (1)
Value: 30
Effect #3 : Mod Debuff Resistance % (4)
Value: 30"

It looks like it gives a 30% chance to resist the application of magic (and poison,disease) DEBUFFS, not the effect from magic spells that don't add a debuff.

So it would give an extra chance to resist Hunter's Mark, but not Shadowbolt, for instance.

Comment by Decimate1

This talent is a PvP based one imo. Well, everytime you Proc this you or your ally will gain 30% resistance to Poison, Magic and Disease.

Basically you will have 10 secs of an oppurtunity to resist those annoying class-specific abilities.

Against a Frost Mage, you can cleanse frost nova or armour everytime you or your ally gets affected. This will give you a chance to resist almost certain frostbolts or ice lances.
Against all mages in general, you can cleanse your ally of the infamous Polymorph, and not be affected by it again for the duration.

A Rogue's poison will almost certainly wanted to be removed.

Against a warlock, he will be casting DoTs on you. Apart from the Curse spell, you'll be receiving 30% less Magic Dots. Fear can be resisted (but not dispelled).

The typical Druid's Entangling Roots and Moonfire can be dispelled, giving you a chance to escape the dreaded Cyclone,Potential Incoming wraths and starfire crits will make you glad you chose this talent.

In Summary, this ability isn't to make you invincible for 10 secs. It is supposed to be a versatile ability, specilised against most classes abilities. For a 3-point talent, I say yes.

Comment by 282680

From what i've seen it can resist the disease effects from all death knight abilities that proc diseases, (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=49921, https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=49909) making them waste another GCD, plus it really messes them up when they get into a rotation and do not notice the diseases becoming resisted (if they are retarded), thus reducing their damage output significantly (not to mention making https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=49999 useless). It also seems this can resist dispells/purges/spellsteal. When i had this proc on my warrior in 2v2 the mages were spamming spellsteal and his freedom never came off while the buff was active.(i generally spam cleanse my warrior vs mage teams else you will be dispelling useless junk when he becomes sheeped) It is likely to have a 90% chance to resist hand spells if this procs along with the https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53519 and https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=53661 talents. This counts as a debuff itself giving them a less chance to dispell what they want.
If you do choose to get this talent..its all or nothing. 1/3=1:10 cleanses to proc, 2/3= 1:5 , 3/3= 1:3 roughly

Comment by 242817

The best thing about this talent in my opinion is that if you're facing a team with both a mage and a rogue in arena, you can be dispelling the mage's debuffs and consequently resist the rogue's poisons or vice versa.

Same goes for DK diseases, shadow priest debuffs, etc.

Comment by 13819

Here is where the talent becomes ambiguous to me.

I realize the 30% does not affect damaging spells (Rightfully so, or it would effectively become a 30% damage shield against all casters while it was up). However, does it prevent debuffs that are attached to damage spells?

For example, Frost Nova.

More or less I'm asking if the debuff portion of such spells is on a separate resist check than the damage portion. If it is not separate, then this talent will sadly have no effect against such things as Frost Nova freeze or Death Coil terror.

Comment by 28619

just out of curiosity, does this affect Dispel and Purge? giving us 60% chance resistance to dispel mechanic with stoicism?

Comment by 226946

Somewhere out there is a Paladin with 3/3 Sacred Cleansing, 2/2 Purifying Power, 5/5 Benediction (for the mana reduction to instant-cast spells), and a Glyph of Cleansing. I really want to meet this Paladin.

Comment by Ganon

like above said, a chance to get a chance is bad... this talent definetly needs a buff, to at least 50% chance to resists and 50% chance to apply or something of the kind.

I still use it and even tho its RnG is rather frustrating lets be honest, unless you are going for 5% extra crit in ret tree (wich you shouldnt as a pvp holy pala so you can get stoicism and guardian's favor in prot) you will have spare points to spend, better spend in holy... for me the choice was between Light's Grace wich serves a rarely used and vulnerable spell, Holy Light, and this one wich serves a spell I use quite alot, cleanse... I chose this one, for in pvp, dispeling is far more usefull and more used than Holy Light, and l gotta say when it procs it saves me or my healing target very often and often gives me breathing time from anoying rogue wound and cripling poisons aswell as warlock fear spams and other anoying nasties.

Comment by huntuer

it resist's basically all the spells, poisons and diseases that u can think of. it even resists purge. the only thing i am not sure about is if it affects cyclone or not, probably not. either way great talent for pvp, if u gona do arena don't spec without this cos it works great with any sort of spell caster, especially mages and locks.

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Sacred Cleansing

Sacred Cleansing

Talent

Your Cleanse spell has a 30% chance to increase the target's resistance to Disease, Magic and Poison by 30% for 10 sec.

(Proc chance: 30%)

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School

Physical

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Dispel type

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GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Aura proc chance

30%

Effect

Apply Aura: Proc Trigger Spell (7)
PVP Multiplier: 1

	Sacred Cleansing

Affected Spells:

Holy Light	Holy Light	Holy Light
Holy Light	Holy Light	Holy Light
Holy Light	Holy Light	Holy Light
Holy Light	Holy Light	Holy Light
Holy Light	Holy Shock	Holy Shock
Holy Shock	Holy Shock	Holy Shock
Holy Shock	Holy Shock

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