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Comment by 104402

Seems a little useless to be honest..

EDIT:
Alright, so I read this talent wrong. I thought it was more of a wrath of elune type buff, where it was used up after one starfire/wrath
But if this increases your crit chance/damage by 10% for all casts in 30 seconds, this is a little more useful than I thought

Comment by 154460

useless?wrath will be be your base nuking spell for low spell damage and starfire will still be pretty op.so it much encourage a wrath->moonfire rotation instead of the usual moonfire spamming.To make a long story short this talent is fine in my book.

Comment by marlaogame

I see the cooldown could be a problem here, with the new regen on crit maybe we aim more on crit so seams fairly easy to make that talent proc with with only one point on it.

Escenario: 4 minutes fight
1) full talented 3 points on it (and good luck 100% proc)
That talents give you 10% more dmg or 10% more crit for 30 sec every 2 minutes thats plain 1minute of 10% dmg or 10% crit

2) 1 point talented ( and bad luck just proc once)
it going to proc at least once , thats 10%dmg for 30 sec ( but also theres the chance to get 2 procs)
So basicaly u get 2 free talents in exchange of 10% dmg over 30 sec.
¿What we can get with those 2 spare points?
Since i think every moonkin aim for omen of clarity for clearcasting, u can expend those 2 points in Master Shapeshifter, and thats 4% spelldmg

¿What we have in the end?

Full talented
10% dmg/crit during 60 sec

VS

1 point + Master Shapeshifter
+4% dmg during 4 minutes
+10% dmg/crit during 30 sec

Could be very situational talent in PVP if they keep the buffs on pvp gear.
Nature's Grace + Wrath of Elune + Eclipse = 1 second starfire with 10% chance to crit good burst dmg but very very very situational.

imo, useless more than 1 point

Comment by Heckler

This is THE coolest proc graphic in-game.

This is not opinion -- this is fact.

Comment by Taters01

Tip to save time having to think about what spell you used that procced it:

A yellow sun being eclipsed means spam Wrath
A blue sun being eclipsed means spam Starfire

Hope this helps

Comment by 8349

is the 30 second cooldown between both skill or is it 30 second separate cooldown for the seperate eclipse type?

Comment by Maya

just a question.
tooltip says 30 sec cooldown and it lasts 15 sec on you. does the cooldown timer start when the buff fades, or does the timer start right after it procced?

Comment by 63558

Went back to test the dps on test dumbies.
my current stats are. Spell Dmg=1882 Hit chance=8.2%(not including talents) Crit chance=26.65% (In moonkin form, no other talents calculated in.) Haste=6.01%

I spammed spells untill i went oom. DPS was ~2.7k
Count: Wrath casted 50times Starfire casted 11 times Insect swarm(dot tick) 59 times
Moonfire(dot) 39 times Moonfire initial dmg 10 times

Wrath Crit 38% of time Top hit=8233 Avg. 6084
Hit 62% of time Top hit=4190 Avg. 3121
Starfire Crit 45.5% of Time Top hit=9138 Avg. 9032
Hit 54.5% of Time Top hit=4561 Avg. 4497

The rotation i used here was kind of a living rotation. i would start off applying Moonfire and insect swarm. Then i would spam starfire until i get a crit and switch over to wrath spamming until ecplise is over. Then reapply dots and spam wrath untill its been about 28secs of the initial ecplise proc. Then I would switch back to starfire till I crit.

The best advise i can give is use /timer. I put this over my character and when i see eclipse proc, quickly look down and add 30secs to the timer so i know when the CD is down and know when to switch.

Comment by toastmaster7727

People have been telling me they don't want to spec this because they don't want to keep a constant watch on their buffs. Fortunately, a graphic moon will appear above your head every time it procs: a dark green moon means you have the Starfire proc active and an orange moon means you have the Wrath proc active.

If you are a true raider, you will always be looking at your character screen and not your UI action bar during fights because of boss factors to watch out for like aoes and shatters. So you will notice the moons easily.

Comment by 63558

To any1 that reads this I came across imo the best addon for Eclipse spec'd druids. It shows the CD on eclipse the duration of your dots/FF and GCD bar.

http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11436-SquawkAndAwe.html

Comment by 98874

Yo Dawg, we heard you liked RNG so we put some RNG in your RNG so you can Crit while you Proc.

Comment by Sketchie

A little fun fact:

If you proc Eclipse with a Wrath spell, the eclipse is blue-tinted, and that is called a "Lunar Eclipse" when the moon is covered with the Earth's shadow.

If you proc it with Starfire, the eclipse is yellow-tinted, and that is called a "Solar Eclipse" and that is when the moon is blocking sunlight from reaching the Earth.

Comment by Shoningun

Eclipse....Bringing New Meaning To The Phrase
"Once In A Blue Moon"

It seems like this spell gives me on;y one crit per Blue Moon (Starfire Proc)

Comment by AngryBuddha

Question: Eclipse procs. When there is 1 second left in the eclipse, I start casting Starfire. The Starfire lands after eclipse has ended. Does the Starfire get the damage bonus?

In other words, does the Starfire damage buff depend on when it is cast? Or on when it lands?

Comment by 224561

Ok, lets check the talent:

"When you critically hit with Starfire, you have a 100% chance of increasing damage done by Wrath by 30%."
In Solar Eclipse (Yellow Eclipse, 30% more dmg to wrath according to 3.1 tooltip), well its a flat 30% dmg to your wrath dmg. The flat increase may be good for those ones who dont like to play with the RNG.

"When you critically hit with Wrath, you have a 60% chance of increasing your critical strike chance with Starfire by 30%."
In Lunar Eclipse (Blue Eclipse, 30% more critical chance to Starfire), this is a great DPS increase, same as wrath dmg increase in average, but also has 30% more chance to activate the Moonkin regen (thus giving Starfire far more DPM than any other spell in moonkin's arsenal). With the change to Nature's Grace, this 20% faster spell cast can be active almost all the time diring the eclipse. The extra crit has far more synergy with the moonkin talent tree than many people can notice.

Even with the GCD clipping solution (See 3.1 Nature's Grace), the Lunar Eclipse fits as a better DPM rotation due to its critical synergy.

Comment by 146819

In 3.2, the Solar Eclipse and Lunar Eclipse buffs are each getting their own cooldown instead of sharing the same one; you're still limited to having only one of them active at a time, though.

So, in 3.2, Eclipse-users will be able to (for example) proc Solar Eclipse, then get Lunar Eclipse as soon as that wears off.
Assuming the cooldown starts as soon as you get the buff (unlikely), you could potentially have 100% uptime on Eclipse (if your reflexes are good and you're computer isn't laggy as $%^&); if the cooldown starts after the buff fades, then you could have up to ~67% uptime (15 seconds of one Eclipse, 15 seconds of the other, and 15 seconds of waiting for the first).

Comment by 430061

Assuming the cooldown starts as soon as you get the buff (unlikely), you could potentially have 100% uptime on Eclipse (if your reflexes are good and you're computer isn't laggy as $%^&); if the cooldown starts after the buff fades, then you could have up to ~67% uptime (15 seconds of one Eclipse, 15 seconds of the other, and 15 seconds of waiting for the first).

Just tested this on the PTR and the cooldown starts as soon as the Eclipse procs (just like most other abilities) giving a possible 100% uptime of Lunar and Solar Eclipse combined.

This change to Eclipse took my DPS on a training dummy up from 3.2k to 3.9k, and I still haven't worked out a new rotation for DoT application.

Comment by 410971

Welcome to 3.2 everyone!

Did some testing for an hour today with my moonkin (2200 SP, 30% crit, hit cap, self buffed)

Dont have Ulduar tier bonuses but from what I could tell wrath+starfire spam on eclipses alone provided equal or greater DPS as opposed to standard rotation with lunar eclipse, IS and MF, further more its a definite increase over pre-3.2 by as much as 200-300 dps.

It pains me to see that moonkin was reduced to a 2 button class, especially since using just eclipse rotations means there are absolutely no major glyphs to our benefit (starfire,moonfire and IS were my glyphs before).

I dont have enough equip to test it properly (such as new increased spell power IS idol) so please share your findings on this matter.

Comment by Korwyn

taken straight from EJs Moonkin Beginner Guide

Note that a Starfire only gains the benefit if it is fully completed while the Eclipse buff is up, so if you only have time for a partial cast, your Eclipse is effectively over

also, further in the thread it explains that haste is the stat thats checked in the beginning of the cast (obvious because it affects the cast-time) but stats like spell power and crit are checked at the end of the cast... so any sp/crit buff that expires before your cast is finished will not be counted.

Comment by 425236

my question is, are there two different spell IDs for the two different eclipses? i am trying to set up miks to spam either "blast some wraths" or "starfires GO". maybe not anything that cheesy but you get my point.

Comment by Cusco

Good news for all you m-/b-/oomkins out there!

Item - Druid T10 Balance 4P Bonus - Reduces the cooldown on your Eclipse talent by 6000.

God, I wish that wasn't a typo/placeholder.

Comment by nikbos

New! (11/23) Eclipse: This effect will not activate again within 15 seconds of either type of Eclipse effect firing, in addition to the existing 30-second cooldown for each type of Eclipse.

In the 3.3 Patch Notes

Its going to suck not having the constant eclipse...

Comment by 499380

This proc makes me feel like I'm playing red light/green light.

Wrath, Wrath... PROC! Starfire, Starfire, Starfire... PROC!

Comment by Havitech

In Cataclysm this is being removed as a talent and worked into the UI:

"We are moving Eclipse from a talent into a core mechanic of the class and making it less random. Balance druids will have a new UI element that shows a sun and a moon. Whenever they cast an Arcane spell, it will move the UI closer to the sun, and buff their Nature damage. Whenever they cast a Nature spell, it will move the UI closer to the moon, and buff their Arcane damage. The gameplay intention is to alternate Arcane and Nature spells (largely Starfire and Wrath) to maintain the balance."

Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/cataclysm-class-preview-druid/

Comment by Rankkor

I'm wondering if any other classes will be getting "new UI element"s at any point in Cataclysm

can't vouch for "all" classes getting new UI elements, but Warlocks will be getting their soulshards added as a new Resource below the mana bar, it looks like the DK's runes, but purple and more "demonic-looking" since the whole soulshard mechanic is getting revamped.

Rogues also will get a new element in their UI that tells them how many combo points they have regardless of target (in the current UI you only know how many points you have if you have your target, but if you distarget them, you can no longer see the points, in cata they will fix that)

and with the change on DK runes and their cooldowns, they "could" rework the apereance of the runes in the UI; but that's not confirmed, for all we know they could still remain the same.

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Eclipse

Eclipse

Talent

When you critically hit with Starfire, you have a 100% chance of increasing damage done by Wrath by 40%. When you critically hit with Wrath, you have a 60% chance of increasing your critical strike chance with Starfire by 40%. Each effect lasts 15 sec and each has a separate 30 sec cooldown. Both effects cannot occur simultaneously.

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n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Aura proc chance

100%

Effect #1

Apply Aura: Dummy (12)
Value: 30
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script
Affected Spells:

Faerie Fire	Moonfire	Moonfire
Moonfire	Moonfire	Moonfire
Moonfire	Moonfire	Moonfire
Moonfire	Moonfire	Faerie Fire (Feral)
Feral Charge - Bear	Moonfire	Moonfire
Moonfire	Moonfire

Effect #2

Apply Aura: Dummy
Value: 12
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

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Eclipse

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