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Comment by Ingolfur

I'm guessing this'll drop from Kel'thuzad?
Can anyone confirm.
And, please do downrate it when it gets outdated/I'm wrong;)

Comment by Aleom

Holy Paladins: This mace is pretty good, but I suggest you look over to the Spellsword drop off Kel'Thuzad instead: https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40396

The sword has the same spellpower, the same haste rating BUT instead of 15 MP5 you get a nice 37 crit bonus which is just over a .70% increase.

And as an added little bonus, you get +1 extra intellect. :D

You're going to upset some clothie casters to no end, but as Paladins crit is where it's at. If you really want 15 MP5, then you can put a mana oil on the caster sword and make it immediately better.

Comment by 202161

soooo spell power +healing or wat?

Comment by 54149

Mouse over the spellpower stat on the actual item to see its +healing value.
978 healing. Wow.

Comment by entropicdragon

Easily confused with the Torch of Holy Flame--make sure to double-check which one you've got equipped before you engage any bosses!

Comment by 146819

Now I gotta go train One-Handed Maces on my Druid... oh well, what caster can say "No" to 520 Spell Power? Especially when you can use it with Matriarch's Spawn or Urn of Lost Memories.

Comment by 251280

DPS and Healers are gonna have a fight when this drops

Comment by TristanPEJ

You might not like, but if hit capped it's most likely the best elemental mainhand

Comment by 95386

I'll be going for this on my Boomkin, while MP5 isn't my first choice of stats it will help during longer fights.

Comment by 274981

This item is a key example of how annoying it is to merge caster stats. Prior to 3.0 this would have been either +heal or +dps and would have split the competition for this item in half. As is, odds are now high you'll be competing with all caster DPS and healers for this item rather than a small subset of either. In a 25 man raid you'll likely be competing with 15 or more raid members for this item. I understand not wanting to see items go to waste, but the imposed scarcity as a result of merging the DPS/healer items is crazy.

Comment by threkfw

Great choice for ele shamans, boomkins and shadow priests, as Blizzard made the best caster weapon a sword =/. Healers will probably whine about having to share this item with the DPS, but the only real thing that's wasted on it is the mp5, the huge amounts of SP (60 more than the next best weapon) and a good amount of haste far outway a properly itemized (crit/haste/sp) lower ilevel weapon for DPS. I imagine some guilds will still not let the DPS get this until the healers do.Good luck though!

Comment by sinaraine

this the Light's Justice of naxxramas.

probably the best entry level into T8 ++ content :)

Comment by 230778

If you may please notice if you do scroll over the +520 spellpower, it does say it increases healing by 978, this is the best healing weapon in the game over The Turning Tide. Yes, not many will say that the MP5 is any good, but the bonus spell healing power is overhelmed. Crit is more needed by healadins, but I would recommend this more to any healer. Let the DPS get The Turning Tide.

Comment by Laenaria

This is one of the best weapon currently for a shadow priest as well. Remember, not all casters can use swords. For those that can, and for Paladins, The Turning Tide off of Kel'Thuzad is a better choice.

Comment by 72279

This is currently the best ShadowPriest main hand in the game. Mp5 is useless yes, but raw spellpower is a SP number 1 stat -(assuming they are hit capped) and this has the highest damage in the game atm . The haste is a nice little bonus.

Comment by 205991

I don't understand what everyone is arguing about, but I guess people will always assume that items should go to certain classes over another and will always fight about it.

As it stands, this weapon is currently the best caster weapon in the game for every class that can use it (Paladins aside). For Elemental Shamans, Shadow Priests, Healing Priests, Moonkins, and Resto Druids this is currently the best in slot by a fairly large margin. Although yes, Mp5 is by far a DPS caster's weakest stat (Except spirit on Elemental Shamans I suppose) the pure spell power makes up for it. As an Elemental Shaman I'm currently going to wait until all the healers get it, only because I have Wraith Strike which loses spell power for crit, and mp5 is near worthless for me.
Why? Because I'm a nice guy. I'm not going to take it from a healer who could actually use the mp5 stat. I'd just stick with Wraith Strike until all healers get it out of good manners.

If a DPS caster wants to take this, I can't blame them. It's best in slot for them too. Anyone who says that it should go to healers and only to healers is either greedy or immediately thinks MP5=It goes to healers only.

As for holy paladins, stick to The Turning Tide and don't bother taking this unless it's going to be D/Ed imo. This isn't best in slot for you.

Comment by 12859

Guys? Can we grow up a bit here. One of the reasons thottbot went to hell was because of idiot "hunter weapon" posts.

The person who pointed out a Healadin would probably be better off with Turning Tide? That's insightful.

The person who pointed out that this is best in slot for shadow priest? Useful information.

The 30 odd folks debating whethor this should be healer only? The only person you should have that discussion with is your guild.

C'mon folks, let's not let wowhead devolve.

Comment by 291421

As a shadow priest I would *understand* if my guild wanted to give this to our healers first, but I would be very angry if they told me I had no choice in the matter - it is a caster weapon plain and simple. This mace ends up being about 661 added spell damage - Haunting Call at 629 (if you need the hit) doesn't even come close. So telling dps they CAN'T have this weapon is absurd.

Personally, I want the person who NEEDS it the most to have it, and that reason is why even as shadow I'm wearing healing boots (Serene Echoes.) I wish Blizzard would take off the MP5 or add some spirit so no one could argue over it anymore.

Comment by 310079

/sigh Why must this mace have such ambiguous stats on it -_-.
Bottom line is its best in slot for casters that wield maces, TBH only choice for healers in top top end weps.

Thanking !@#$ that i have this already on my priest.

Comment by Celebess

Mp5 Gain for Holy Priest and Resto Druids:

Ice Spire Scepter 25 spi
Priest:
Mp5: (25*2)/5 = 10mp5
SP: 25*0.25 = 6.25 +SP
Druid:
Spi: 25*0.15 = 3.75spi
Mp5: (28.75*2)/5 = 11.5mp5

The Impossible Dream 31 spi
Priest:
Mp5: (31*2)/5 = 12.4mp5
SP: 31*0.25 = 7.75 +SP
Druid:
Mp5: (2*(31*1.15))/5 = 14.26mp5
With BoK: (2*(1.10*(31*1.15)))/5=15.686 (Just calculated because the nubmers were so close)

Another alternative for resto shaman, holy paladin and disc priest: Hammer of the Astral Plane

Result:
It's the best healing item ingame whatever spec and class. My Calculations above just proves for priests and druids the loss of MP5 and SP(for priest) if you don't choose this.

A note for druids: The Impossible Dream: You can choose: Gain 0.686mp5 or 59sp
A note for priest: Skip any spirit mace and get this instead, since mp5>spirit just because of the CoH nerf
Another note:

Yes my calculation could be a little bit easier, I just realized that when I was done, tho the point is that the calculations are corrent the way I did it.

When this item drops from Kel'Thuzad 25 man every healer can need it without getting flamed from anyone else, since everyone do gain from it.

Comment by 66977

time to stir up all the casters >< but us MELEE shamz actually get an upgrade out of this item compared to other melee based weapons. I currently have Calamity's grasp (highest dps main hand currently in the game) and this weapon is an UPGRADE for me in terms of dps.

(using the combat simulation as per EJ)

Calamity's Grasp:
..........................DPS...........%............PPM
white................1310.15....29.62%....100.74
windfury.............568.50....12.85%.........6.50
flametongue.......643.68....14.55%.......72.68
stormstrike.........227.67......5.15%.........6.85
lava lash............90.95........2.06%..........8.61
earth shock........612.02....13.84%.........8.96
lightning bolt......761.32....17.21%.........7.97
lightning shield...208.45.....4.71%.........0.93

DPS 4422.73

29.6 + 12.85 + 5.15 + 2.06......................49.66% physical dmg
14.55 + 13.894 + 17.21 + 4.71................50.364% spell dmg

Torch:
..........................DPS...............%............PPM
white.................1178.91......24.65%.....117.67
flametongue......1494.68......31.25%.....130.47
stormstrike..........155.38..........3.25%.......6.81
lava lash...............92.00..........1.92%.......8.82
earth shock........750.65........15.69%........9.08
lightning bolt......845.27........17.67%........6.93
lightning shield...266.33.........5.57%........0.94

DPS 4783.21

24.65 + 3.25 + 1.92........................................29.82% physical dmg
21.25 + 15.69 + 17.67 + 5.57.........................60.18% spell dmg

an 8% INCREASE of dps. Note that i would change the weapon imbues from WF/FT to FT/FT and change glyph of windfury weapon to Lightning bolt.

These numbers will be different for different people as specifics of gear change ( diff stats -> diff itemization values ) but even adding 10% arm pen value (without removing any extra stats!) to calamity's grasp dps only gives ~100 dps for a ton of itemization points, which you would have to loose enough attack power to counteract that.

If you want to think about it, AP only adds to .5+.3*.5 of your dmg = 65% of your dmg, whereas spellpower adds to .5
but if you switch to FT/FT build AP -> 48% of your gear, whereas spell goes to 60%.

this will of course change your itemization values for some other stuff, so be careful! Enhancement ppls might be running with some caster items, particuarly ones that are large amounts of crit + some spelldmg. Though +hit is still the most important stat until cap'd, expertise will scale down but will still be very important as it still affects your hitting them in the first place, yielding all of your FT, LS and LB dps. After that crit and haste will fight it out, usually crit up to a certain point then haste. If you go FT/FT arm pen will be very weak for you, so just stack haste or crit gems if alrdy hit/exp cap'd

Also interesting, the Spell power on this item is roughly equivalent to 1733 attack power, which is a LOT of attack power!

*edited to add clarifying notes and specifics of % of dmg is white vs spell

Comment by 140499

Very insightful, and I'm certain many guilds are going to start giving this weapon to enh shamans when it drops now.

/sarcasm

Zaughlin has a point. With the most recent patchnotes for 3.0.9 out and the nerf to the Windfury Weapon glyph, an "end game" shaman in majority BiS gear will see a fast caster main hand with double Flametongue as higher dps.

So the Torch of Holy Fire would theoretically be Best in Slot for all 3 shaman specs. Sorry casters.

Comment by 322226

It's true this is the best caster weapon as of patch 3.09, because of the high spellpower. However, this is not really a dps weapon.

Once more level 226 items are released (re: patch 3.1 / Ulduar), dps are going to have other options. This mace is really intended to prepare raids for Ulduar content. It's not meant to increase one person's personal dps; not at the expense of survivabilty of the whole raid. If a dps takes this before a healer, it's just going to make it harder for the whole raid group to get other level 226 items when the times comes. And many of those will be better for dps anyway.

So unless you want to be using a "healing" mace, when everyone else is going to be using Ulduar dps maces... OR you plan to just throw this mace away in 3 months (and leave your healers hanging in the meantime)... then dps should pass. Just be patient and wait for dps level 226 weapons to be released in a couple months. Don't just take this cause it's good for "now".

Comment by JamesKilton

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14990771453&sid=1&pageNo=23

As of the 2/18 Windfury Glyph hotfix, this weapon looks to be Best In Slot for Enhance Shaman (FT/FT).

I have to imagine this isn't Blizzard's intention, but we'll have to see what happens with 3.1.

Comment by 222908

plz do not forget that this is the best dps weapon for SP and Elemental shamans, oh and Boomkins

Comment by reid52

It's fun to de a random epic seconds after looting this.

Comment by mythology

18% drop... hmm this will just NOT drop for my guild. 12 full clearances of Naxx now and not a single mace, and just 1 caster sword.

This is currently head and shoulders above any other 1 hand healing item, almost 60sp more and the mp/5 is also very nice.

Regarding the post above, the SP means it's great for any caster as does the haste, but the mp/5 is wasted a moonkin b/c of dreamstate.

Comment by 336185

I think this truly is an upgrade for just about anyone, and therefor will be heavily sought by many. As a shadow priest who is slightly over the hit cap, this would be an amazing up grade for me, since I cannot use swords. Unfortunately the universal notion of "Mp5 = healer" will keep my guild from allowing me to get it until all of our healers already have it. even though I am the one that keeps their mana up, so in MY opinion keeping my mana up would be a priority ^.^ if only my guild saw my logic!

Comment by 316188

"Regarding the post above, the SP means it's great for any caster as does the haste, but the mp/5 is wasted a moonkin b/c of dreamstate."

Regardless of whether the mp5 is better for a healer than a DPSer, I will reiterate my point. This weapon is the BEST weapon for a balance Druid. BEST! It's not like balance Druids can't use the mp5 anyway. This weapon ALSO has feral attack power (works in Moonkin too). Woulnd't that make it better suited for a Druid becasue it has a stat that is only usable by Druids (unlike mp5). In case you didn't notice that was sarcasm. The stats on a weapon should not decide what class should use it.

Comment by 340928

I agree, The Turning Tide is a lot better for a holy paladin, however, if your guild had the same horrendous drop-rate of it, you should definately allow your paladins to take the Torch of Holy Fire. We've been farming Naxx25 for nearly 4 months now and have since seen one The Turning Tide actually drop.

Comment by Kathucka

Confirmed that holy paladins prefer crit rating over MP/5 (and, therefore, The Turning Tide). However, while this weapon is not best-in-slot for holy paladins, it's still excellent, and a close second. It's a large upgrade from anything else in the game. Here's a comparison of good level 80 epic holy paladin weapons.

It should generally be awarded to whichever of the druids, priests, shamans, or paladins has the most loot points or the highest roll. Loot council should award it to whichever of these characters will help the guild most by getting a big, fat upgrade.

Comment by 347146

I got a 300/1000 roll on this I later cried

Comment by 333767

We ran. We rolled. And an Elemental Shaman won.

R.I.P.

Comment by 437209

As Raid leader for my Guild, i made sure that there was an understanding of loot priority. Who gets higher-priority on high-importance items should they drop. All but 3 agreed that this mace would go to a healer first, before dps, and then allow ppl to roll for off-spec.

the 3 that complained stated some real points of interest, however as there were already many items that are considered to be a dps item before heals, we asked them kindly if they could please let the healers get this mace without issue.

All agreed.

however we have progressed into Ulduar now, and i can only stress one thing.... before you go into any raid/heroic etc make sure you have stressed the loot system your guild / pug is going to use..so everyone understands.

Guilds will have there own loot rules... so see your Raid leader

Pugs - best Ive seen so far was.. ( spec your in there as ) 1 Epic per Wing, 1 Tier per Run and if uncontested then you can roll for off-spec ( the other spec you have).

Ive seen lots of ppl cry saying that this is their off-spec, and want to roll on main-spec items... tough-luck really... you got in as heals, then you roll on heals... go as dps or tank, then you roll as dps or tank respectively. ( unless you ask to roll for X-spec, and they agree )

Best of luck to those that still chasing this mace, i passed up on this mace 3 times, before i got it.

Comment by 345760

Due to patch 3.2 changes, ie. the illumination nerf, mp5 suddenly has become more valuable for holy paladins, to the point where it actually outweighs crit as mp regen.

Therefore, sadly, now this weapon is BiS for holy paladins as well as all the aforementioned classes pre-ulduar =/

See http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t64649-holy_paladin_thread_patch_3_2_changes/p21/#post1347900 and page for relevant discussion.

Comment by MrTopher331

Are there any other maces in the game with this model?

Comment by 447551

This mace is fantastic for resto shamans. However, if you want an ele mace aswell, you should concider the 219 mace that drops from the paladin boss in ToC Heroic.

The mace is the best in the game untill Ulduar 25. It is item level 226 and is therefor equal to T8.5. Don't use it for dps though...

Comment by 447551

No there isn't. Almost all epic weapons have unique models.

Comment by 470083

I just thought that I should get that thing and disenchant it to get abyss crystal just for the greater good of jackassery :D:D

Comment by Allakhazam

Best in slot for shadow priests and yet due to a measly 15 mp5 I wont get to bid on this until every druid, priest, pally, shaman... every healer has it.

Comment by Allakhazam

ooooh soooo sorrryy :( priesty dont wanna heal? priesty dont get healy items then :(
Me so sorry, love you long time though

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Torch of Holy Fire

	Phase 1

Item Level 226
Binds when picked up

Main Hand	Mace

86 - 271 Damage	Speed 1.80

(99.17 damage per second)
+36 Stamina
+49 Intellect
Durability 105 / 105

Requires Level 80
Increases attack power by 617 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only.
Equip: Improves haste rating by 48.
Equip: Increases spell power by 520.
Equip: Restores 19 mana per 5 sec.

Sell Price: 22 50 96

Dropped by: Kel'Thuzad

Drop Chance: 8.42%

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